Well then best wishes to Josh! Get well soon!
Think I got to do some more crying! how could something like this happen? Does this mean no more shows in Europe? Oh god I already miss you guys!

hey guys......what the f+++ is going on?!?!
josh...you will make it! i know it! WE all believe in you!
so the best wishes to you!

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you're friends will stand behind you!!!!!!!!!!!

Best wishes to Josh, hope it's not too serious and hope he is not in a lot of pain. Too bad that some of the last shows will be cancelled, that's just horrible for a lot of us because we thought we could see you one more time and that was some sort of comfort after the news that you guys were retiring. Keep us posted on how is Josh doing!

Oh no Josh!!
I feel really sorry for what happened. A broken neck...that's really horrible. I'll pray for you so that you'll get well soon!! Impossible to bring you flowers. But I'm sending you love and power. Hopefully it won't take long to recover you!!
Best Wishes.

BEST WISHES FROM GERMANY! YOU WILL MAKE! WE BELIEVE IN YOU !!!! GET WELL SOON !!!

Shit...this cant be happening, I hope Josh will be better soon, this is some serious shit, all my best wishes are with him now...He is such a good-hearted person! So I hope you guys help each other to get through this dark times, I know you all gonna make it! Best wishes, josh for getting well again from germany!!!

Dear god!!!
How is he gdoing!
Broken neck?!
What happened?!
Hope Josh recovers as soon!!! Best wishes to u Josh!!!

oh my god, i don't find the right words for what happend... i can also send you my best wishes to recover totally as soon as possible.

love & best wishes from austria.

hope so, to see you sometime again in europe.

LOVE YOU!

dear friends.
thank you so much for your kind words and please have josh and his family in your prayers & thoughts.
we will keep you posted on how he is and again: thank you for your concern and support.
love,
robert

josh,
i hope our words, thoughts and prayers help you to heal quickly. feel better soon and know we love you!!!!!!

@ROBERT:

hey robert,
falls du nochmal hier vorbeiguckst, dann wäre es nett wenn du josh ausrichten könntest, dass wir (ich sprech mal einfach für alle boysetsfire fans die ich in deutschland kenne, dass wir ihm gute besserung wünschen! und hoffen das er schnell wieder gesund wird!

Hey :(
oh man - these are bad, bad news :( I'm sad to hear about Josh. Dude, I hope u'll recover soon - i really don't have the right words to express my worries. Be sure u and your family are in my thoughts - all the very very best and lots of love !
I'll cross my fingers for ya! Take care !

hey guys..thank you so much. so you know, we will still be doing the european tour with rev rackus on guitar, but the final show in philly will be held off untill josh is up to it. thank you again for your thoughts and support

omg....nooooooooo...
that sounds horrible!
get well soon, josh!
best wishes!

love caddie

i hope so, you don't understand this in a wrong way, and this sounds not egoistic to you but oh my god, i can't believe it, i am so endless happy about this!! i thougt, i'll never see you again for the rest of my life.

and hold us up to date about josh's situation!

Good to hear that your not canceling the european tour! but it won't be the same without josh! again all the best for him and his family! hope he gets well soon!

God I love you guys!

Oh how horrible! What the fuck does Josh do that's so dangerous he could get hurt so badly? That's crazy. I really hope he is okay and you're all in my thoughts.

Hoping and wishing Josh a successful and minimally painful recovery.
That truely sucks. <3

Here again:

All the best wishes to Josh. First I didn't believe it... sad sad news. I hope he'll get well soon.
And yes... the tour won't be the same without Josh. But it's more important that he recovers. Thanks to Chris that he takes part in the band for the european fans.

Take care...

Take your time with recovery and rehab. Best of wishes to you all.

Hang in there Josh!

This is really sad news. I hope Josh gets well soon. Unfortunatly We aren't going to get the full bsf experience here in Europe but I'm sure "Rev Ruckus" is up for the job. Thanks for doing all you can to play for us in Europe. Josh's injury sounds very serious, I wish the best to him.

John

ps: You could do another European and full blown tour after Josh's recovery to say goodbye to everyone good and proper :D

Just thought I'd say I meant the USA too.

Poor Josh, those are horrific injuries. :-((( What on earth were you doing at work to end up like this? It sounds painful....you're in my thoughts, get well soon. Love and best wishes xx

hope he get better soon...
so I can say GOLLLLL to him live in brazil...
still remenber last time I saw you guys at your hometown... well, get better and come play in brazil... you guys rock soo much...
TCHAU

I hope your recovery goes well man! You were the first person my friend and I talked to at the Sacramento and San Francisco shows, you were like a big fucking teddy bear. I hear big teddy bears heal faster.
Best of wishes and luck with your recovery.
(Whenever you read this I'm sure it'll be alittle while)

Hang in there BSF.

good luck josh. hope you mend up soon dudeth! good luck bsf for your tour. good luck on the six string rakus no man knows joshes guitar better than u. cept maybe josh. but good luck see ya in newport!

Hope you get well soon Josh....Best Wishes from Germany...Dave

For heavens sake! Josh, what´s up to you? Didn´t I mention in my last comment : "Take care of the health of your bodies..." - mhm...well done...I really hope that your injury isn`t as painful as it sounds. We`ll miss you at the german shows ( especially in Hamburg & Leipzig).

Get well soon! Keep you in mind!

Germany loves you!

what...
that means i wont get to see josh with you guys at leeds for the last time...
anyway hope you get better soon....

more best wishes form Brazil

That is truely awful. No doubt. I'd pray for him if I believed in that kind of thing, but since I don't, I wish him well. Seriously, that's terrible.

Josh, I know you're a tough dude. I know you put up with all the shit from the other guys in the band for many years, so you can get through this! We're all pulling for you, man.

(By the way, I was just kidding about what I said about the band)

Wow, that is some shocking news. Hope everything goes well, and get well soon!!

Take care

Best wishes to josh and hope to see all of you one last time in Germany.

Thoughts and prayers are with ya Josh. Hang in there.

My thoughts are with you Josh.

I will see you in Philly when your ready to rock.

Only can send best wishes and hope you'll recover soon. That's really shocking!! Love you all and hope I can see you all on your last show, even if it's really expensive to come there from Germany!

Take care

All my prayers go to Josh and his family and friends. I hope he recovers soon. Best wishes from France.

My prayers go out to you, Josh, and to your folks, friends, and loved ones.

F***, BSF has had a messed up few weeks, no?

Hang in there guys.

Tonnes of love and respect to all you guys.

p.s. WTF happened to Josh?! He get a crate dropped on him or something? Those injuries are insane!

Hey ... I'm from Germany and I don't really understand what happend but now I know that this aren't really good news.. best wishes to John..!! And the others members of the band for their future.. I'm very sad... you decided to retire my favourite band... I'll come to the Rock am See Festival to listen to you for the last time... ...

Hey
Best wishes for you Josh i hope you get well soon. I will see you one last time i need it. I've got tickets for the Deconstructiontour in Herne an i'll hope to see you there ^^
bye

he was working construction, putting up tresses. he stepped on a 2x4 that had been nailed down, but for some reason, the nails were no longer in it, so it was like stepping on air. He managed to grab a little of the roof as he fell, which is a good thing but he was going to fall headfirst and would certainly be dead or paralyzed. As it is, he is not paralyzed at all, and his spine and spinal column and head are all fine. He got out of surgery yesterday morning and is now sedated most of the time because the pain is incredible - morphine can't even touch it apparently.

He will move to a recovery hospital in 2 days, and will have to wear a neck brace for at least 8 weeks. As messed up as this is, it's quite honestly a miracle that it's not degrees worse.

Anyway friends, keep writing your kind thoughts and prayers for him, I'll print them out and take them to him.

Oh no. :/ Get well soon!!

josh,

i wish you the best and a quick recovery. it's good to know you're going to be okay. i've never seen bsf live and won't have the chance to do so, but i thought the least i could do is send you this for being very nice people who have had a major positive influence on me.

thank you for everything + be well...

.sam.

Dude. Thats fucked up. The bad shit that happens to good people, who work hard and try and do the right thing is just mind boggling. I hope you have a successful and speedy recovery, and that you have no long lasting effects.

Also i hope the nurse who gives you sponge baths is hot.

Oh my god....that sounds so bad.
Best wishes to Josh, you're such a lovely person.
It's sad that we can't see you on the tour, but I hope you get well soon.
That's a terrible year, so much accidents and bad news...

Shocking news...I´ll keep Josh in my prayers! All best wishes from Cologne!

best wishes josh from switzerland!

I wish you a good recovery!

best wishes buddy!

get well soon!

is anyone taking a collection for him? does he need anything? like, does have have good health insurance and everything?? if anyone lets us know if he needs anything, i know atleast i would open up my wallet and try to help out. i probably can't do much, but you know how worker's comp. and healthcare are in this country, so i wouldnt be surprised if he needed something from the fans!

Best wishes to josh from switzerland! keep on rocking

oohhh thats not good! i'd hoped to see you one last time in germany in two weeks.. what do you think, will everything be okay till then? thursday aren't coming.. if you aren't coming to deconsturction tour, too.. oh that woulnd't be so nice..

this is bad, i'm so glad that you are still alive and that you are not in a critacal position are, right know.
This must be hard for you, but we know that you can do it.
for you family, friends, and even the fans that never spoke to you(like me) but care so mutch about you.
i hope to see you back sometimes and that i can thank you for all the things you give me.

if i could say this in dutch this would be mutch better, but you must know that it comes from the middle of my heart

be strong, and never give up, i pray for you

Best wishes to Josh!!!
I'm really sorry to hear this... :( I wanted to go to the last show in Utrecht in the Netherlands next week. I hope Josh is going to be well soon, that's the most important!!
Love, nynke

i really hope you will get well very soon. i think you will have a lot angels who saved you!

Guys, BSF are still playing but with a different guitarist. Chill.

What a miracle that nothing happened. Very happy to hear it and hope the recovery process is as painless and as minimally frustrating as possible.

Do we need to set up a donation fund for him or anything?? Or is he covered?

I heard you guys are retiring soon at Pukkelpop... I t really surprised me, so I wanted to take a look at the site and I'm sorry to see that it's true! My best wishes to Josh, his fractures sound horrible. Get better soon, and rock 'n' rule on your last show!
greets,
Wim,
Belgium

I don´t know if you even read my entry ´cause there already are so many but right now I ask myself why such things always happen to people who simply just don´t deserve it?I hope he will be better really soon...I´ll keep you in my thoughts Josh!

oh man that sounds horrible and painful, the best wishes to you josh and get well soon

Thinking of you and hoping for a speedy recovery.
With love from your fans in Florida.

josh and bsf family,
i feel terrible to hear this. my thoughts and feelings go out to the whole band and especially josh, along with his family.
i hope for a well rested recovery and that you come back to us soon.
i was actually talking about you last nite in the van on the way back from a show.

much love i hope you get well soon
peter and the fully down

best wishes to Josh from Germany ... hope your getting fine very soon ...

oh my god, this sounds absolutely horrible... i will pray for josh and that he recovers soon and minimally painful.

hold out josh, we love you and believe in you!!!

Get well soon Josh...hope that your recovery is speedy!! I am so glad to hear that it is not worse than it is, not that it isnt bad. As others mentioned, let us know if there is anything we can do to help....

After spending some time with Josh in the hopital today, I am truly amazed by his enduring and diligent spirit -- the boy just does not give up in anything! The first thing he said to me was, "don't worry about me, all this is going to be OK." All he wanted to do was give me hope and dispell my fears -- just like he has been trying to do with his music all these years. Even completely drugged up and totally in pain, he was cracking jokes and filling the room with his personality!

The latest news is that he has one (and maybe 2) broken hip to go along with all his other injuries -- they tried to make him walk today to begin his rehab and the pain was unbearable so they did an x-ray and discovered he broke his hip as well (don't ya think they would have thought to do that before making him walk?). So keep up with encouraging words, thoughts, and prayers...he truly needs them.

jonathan (josh's little bro)

JOSH WE LOVE YOU!

hey all I visited Josh in the hospital today and read him your comments and they meant a lot to him. Keep them coming.

He's in horrible pain. Josh has an amazingly high tolerance for pain -- he's gone week having a broken arm without realizing it and almost died one time because his appendix burst and he didn't know it until a week later. . . but he says he's in such constant agony.

The Dura-whatever that surrounds the spinal column is torn badly and turns out the surgery didn't completely heal it like they had hoped so he is leaking spinal fluid. Because of this he has to remain completely prone on his back, staring up at the ceiling. He's in good spirits, but he's bored, in tremendous pain, and lonely.

If you know him, visit him. He loves having the visitors.

Finally, to the person that hoped josh would have a hot nurse giving his sponge baths, he wanted you to know that "a semi-handsome man named Nick scrubbed his nuts." He didn't know if that counted.

Hey Josh! Hey Guys!

I don´t want to say some unsuitable things here, but there is one thought, that´s not going out of my mind...

Is this tragic accident which happend to josh, a sign from god and all his holy saints above, that in times like these a political outlet like boysetsfire MUST NOT RETIRE? ...

Seems that one really bad news, is followed by another, sad and more bad news...in the past days...

I don´t want to talk trash anymore, there are more important things at this time.

So Josh, get well soon, i know you´ll make it!!

And remember always one thing: All your fans are with you in our thoughts!!!

All the best to you my dear!!!

Some Time ago, a guy in phillie told some true words:

>There are a lot of times,when i think we´ve all fallen into a state of into depression, or hopelessness,... the thing is... that sometimes, all i takes is one little thing, to turn your whole day around, to turn your whole life around, and the reason why i feel this is important, is because it is important to us, for us all as human beings, to treat each other with respect, and with kindness,and be cool to one another, cause otherwise, whats the point of talking about revolution and change, if we can´t even be cool to each other in here?<

So fans and freaks, if you know the song, i´m talking about, feel free to write out the lyrics for josh... maybe it turns joshs day around a little...

Peace!

What a double-dose of bad news. I nearly lost my voice the one time I saw you guys @ The Social in Orlando. I have turned countless people on to BSF through the years and they all loved it. The new disc and dvd are on heavy rotation at the practice space/party spot. When you scream, we scream. Forever.

It makes me so sad to hear that.
I wish you guys all the best and mainly to Josh!
Get well soon! You´re great!

As others said before: Let us know, if he needs something, financially I mean. Really, just say it.

Love from Europe.

Dear Josh, i wish you a lot of strength to get better! I can't describe the feeling I got, when I read the news. First you guys quitting, and now the accident... I really hope you'll be on your feet again soon.

As for the rest of the band, I'd like to thank you for your music, which has given me inspiration and strength to go on. I'm so sorry to hear that you won't be around anymore. Of course I do hope you'll be back in Europe (The Netherlands!!) again with Josh for one last time...

Arnout

josh! i'll call the hospital to send you a hot nurse instead of this "semi-handsome man"... just give me the number ;-)

hope your pains aren't too bad anymore!
i'll keep on praying for you and hope that a myracle makes you able to play in switzerland with the other guys!

all the best!
matt

get well soon Josh

best wishes from germany, get well soon josh!! bsf is a big part of my life, i listen to your music the whole day!
nobody deserves that kind of horrible accident!

"Is this tragic accident which happend to josh, a sign from god and all his holy saints above, that in times like these a political outlet like boysetsfire MUST NOT RETIRE? ..."

Ignorance/lack of intelligence at it's finest. Yeah God incapacitated Josh so he could KEEP playing music.

We all wish BSF would continue, but this isn't really the topic of discussion here.

Best of wishes to Josh in his recovery. Prayers to him and his family....

AND SOMEONE CLOSE TO JOSH: LET US KNOW IF WE NEED TO SET UP A PAYPAL DONATION PAGE FOR THIS GUY AND HIS FAMILY....

The very best wishes to Josh.
That he may recover from his injuries soon and that all may be well.

Greetings from Holland!

PS. Thanks for playing all those amazing shows!

Get Well soon Josh! Thanks again for all the great music. I hope you'll be back on your feet again soon to make some more!

This is really sad news. I wish you all the best and get well soon Josh!

I was really looking forward to seeing the complete band on your last show here in Switzerland on the 2nd of September but yeh, I will still keep on dreaming of seeing the whole band again some time in the future.

i wish him all the best! i will also make a donation!

Oh my, I cannot believe this!
Josh- You're such a kickass guy and you have no idea how awesome it was to hangout and drink too much with you guys. I'm so sorry to hear about this, dear... but like they said it could've been a lot worse and we have to thankful you are still here!
It was so much hanging out with you guys at J. Clydes when you were here at the Emerson in Indy. You must get better, darlin' .. You still owe me a jagerbomb!
*hugs* You and you're family are in my thoughts & prayers
-Stacey

Dear Josh,
Wishing you only the best. You're in our thoughts and prayers.

Get well soon, Josh!

Oh God, I feel so sad... Hope you'll get well very fast so we can see you one last time in Europe!! I'll pray to see you rock Europe again!

Dear Josh,
we are really worried about you.
Shocking news.
It's so sad you cannot join the European farewell tour. We're quite sure you wanted to say goodbye to all of us just like we wanted to say it to you.
But that is not what it is about.
Most important is that you make a quick recovery.
Horrific to hear you suffer a lot of pain and they even tried to make you walk with broken hips (...freaking idiots).
But you are so strong and brave and never give up!!
Where do you get that strenght from?!
Whenever horrible things like this happen we realize we complain too often about things that are not worth complaining at all, like the weather, the guy next door who is listening to shit music, the driver who is not able to distinguish between green lights and red lights, not to mention our flat is not as big as it should be and our car is not as luxurious as we wanted it...and so on.
Being thankful for health, a warm meal and a bed we can sleep in, surrounded by nice people we love and who love us back is not worth an appreciation in everyday lives too often.
We became aware of not complaining about shit anymore now.
We are fucking fine while you are in hospital, in pain, bored, staring at the ceiling and still trying to calm down your family and friends.
You are an amazing man.
From the bottom of our hearts we wish you no more pain, a good and fast recovery and strength to get through this bad time quickly.
Our thoughts are with you and your family.
Get well real soon!!

Love from a whole bunch of German fans.

You're in our prayers josh! Get better soon!

I know the recovery will be long, but I wish you and your family good fortune during this time of need. I, like most fans, know that family and health are more important than any concert.

Sincerly,

Robert Hill

aww Josh poor you hun,its a miracle that you are not paralyzed, my prayers and thoughts are with you.
Sincerly
-aRia Niayz

Best wishes to Josh and his family. We'll keep all of you in our prayers and thanks for one of the best shows we've ever seen (atl '06). Much love, Amber and Adam

Dear Josh,

i hope you`ll recover quickly and getting better soon!
don`t lose you special sort of humor!
all my best wishes to you and your family!

greetings from germany,

natali

Dear Josh,

i hope you`ll recover quickly and getting better soon!
don`t lose you special sort of humor!
all my best wishes to you and your family!

greetings from germany,

natali

Oh my God, that's pretty horrible.

So many sad news.. BSF retire, Hamburg show sold out and got no ticket, Josh having a serious accident.

Josh, I hope you'll recover soon, I'll keep you in mind and keep my fingers crossed that there are no severe things following...

Best wishes from Germany to all BSF members and friends, TAKE CARE, JOSH!

josh,
i'm so sorry to hear about you accident. all you need to worry about is getting better. the rest of the fans and i will wait as long as it takes for that farewell show in philly. just know that we are all behind you and will keep you in our thoughts. it had to make you feel good to see you cowboys beat up on the saints last night though. even if it was preseason. what a catch by terry glenn, huh?

dear josh,
when i heard about your accident i was shocked...
i hope you recover soon!!!
don´t give up...
you´ve got your family and your friends...and of course your FANS!!!!we all stand behind you and think of you!!!
best wishes

a big fan from germany

Get well soon, Josh! You'll always be rocking in our hearts, minds and boomboxes!

Tony

that sounds terrible. thank god he´s still alive.

in the name of every german fan i send my deepest sympathy to him, his family, his friends and the band.

i´m really sad about not having the chance of seeing him live. i´ll be at the gig in hamburg and i really think that everyone there will miss him bad!

get well soon, fans all over the world believe in you.

omg !!!
hope ur ok.
thoughts with you, your family and your friends.
hope you make a full speedy recovery
bob

Josh,

At a Salt Lake City show a couple years back, you gave me your guitar pic and hugged me afterwards. Maybe because we talked before the show, but I really dont know. All I have to say is that meant the world to me, and I still get all choked up about it.

Get Well

Get well soon Josh, I wish you will be standing on your feet soon and be able to play guitar for us as soon as possible. Follow your dreams and everything should be alright. I wish I could see you on stage one more time in Canada.

oh guys,this few weeks sucks....
Josh you'll do it,i know that!!
I can't find any words...i wish you all the best!
I hope you're in good hands...I'm thinking of you in every free minute!

Josh... Just listening to Not In The Running still makes me quiver.

Aside from your building job, you are an amazing architect, along with your brother and friends. Even across the Big Blue, you have my best wishes and i can only pray for a swift recovery.

Hell, it only took a horse to take down Supes. Rise above it, and who knows. I'll buy you a cape.

Josh, I hope you get well quickly and without much pain. All of your fans are pulling for you. You seem like a great person, and you sure as hell have made some great music.

Cheers,

Rob from Mass.

hey Josh, Its beka from mspace here. (the gal from bradford rios and leeds on your birthday)
I had a wicked time with you in leeds on your birthday, i was really looking forward to seeing you and the guys one last time!

It's truely awful whats happened, i really feel for you and i wish i knew what to say to make you feel a little bit better!

anyway, me and my mate kev (who was sat at the bar with me u and chad in josephs well) just wanted to let you know we were thinkin of ya! :o)

big hug and kisses, get well soon hun xx
Beka*

Hey Josh!

Best wishes from Germany...
Hope you get well soon!!

Oh Josh...

I wish you all the best!!!
These are very bad news, but I'm sure
you fight to get back on STAGE!

Josh, get well soon!
Best wishes from holland.

josh, i wish u all the best!
can´t believe what happened...still think that somebody(!) must have made a big mistake!nobody deserves something like that!but when i think about the good job your guardian angel did in the end, i´m sure u´ll make it!stay strong!!!

all my energy and love to u!
oxo

Hey Josh!

Best wishes to you from Germany! You definitely must have had a sweet guardian angel which made you just being injured and not dead. I am so glad and I hope you'll recover soon! I'll keep my fingers crossed!
Gonna miss you at the show in Hamburg.

stay tuned!

benefit US tour .... benefit US tour .... benefit US tour.

so what if it is ignorant or cheating? seriously, if one of MY bandmates was in this condition, my band would probably do a benefit show or 20. make a bit of money and they could see how much support bsf really has.

BEST WISHES FOR JOSH....GET WELL SOON...`
WE WILL MISS YOU IN GERMANY!!!!!

Hey Josh,
My Girlfriend and I met you outside the knitting factory in LA and you had an amazing presence about you. Having only spoken to you briefly, those few words indicated to me what a fantastic person you are. I know you've touched alot of people through the years not just with your music, but also with your personality and the way you seems to approach life! Your a legend and we know you'll see this through! Best wishes to your family and close friends who are staying strong for you as well!

Get well soon big fella and best wishes from Australia

Cheers
Ian

hey Josh.
a big hug from italy.
I remember you were amazing live..you must keep on rocking!!
your music [and your life!] means more than you can ever think for loads of people.

ciao!

Hey Josh, you probably won't even read this, as it is so far down on this page, but, yeah, get well soon!

I wish you a safe and fast recovery. Thank you for making music fun and providing me with lots of fond memories in Atlanta GA. I will always hold those in my heart. Please take care and I wish the rest of the band well in future endevors..

Josh,I wish you the best and send a big hug from Germany!!I will miss you and the band on the 01.09.,cause I thought it would be my last chance to see your fantastic show...But your health is more important and you`ll be every moment in my mind and heart!
Stay strong and get well soon!

Love and wishes from Germany

HEY PEOPLE FOR THE UMPTEENTH FRIGGIN TIME.... THEY ARE PLAYING EUROPE JUST NOT WITH JOSH.

LEARN TO READ POR FAVOR GRASSYASS!

get well, brother! thanks for all the years of great music!

Hope you are getting well soon !!!
A big hug from Belgium!
Love,
Stijn

Josh,
Get well soon man so you can get back to doing what you do best...making great music. My prayers are with you.

get well so soon hun

get well soon josh. best wishes from Turkey.

FORZA JOSH!!!!!WE BELIEVE IN YOU AS WE BELIEVE IN BOYSETSFIRE.BEST WISHES FROM ITALY

WHAT HAPPENED TO SECTION 8. IF NOONE WRITES ME
BACK, I'M GOING TO BUILD A MYSPACE FANSITE,FOR
SECTION 8. SO TELL JEFF TO GET HIS SHIT TOGETHER.
AND TELL MATT TO QUIT BEING A BITCH!

SORRY TO HEAR ABOUT JOSH.

NOW IN A PADDED CELL...........